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Why was the predeluvian climat different ?



    

The world Cilmat 12'000 years ago.

      Topics:

  • The frozen mammoths.
    Mammoths frozen alive, Siberia must have been much warmer before the cataclysm.
  • Climate of Siberia and Alaska 12'000 Years ego.
    A part of actual Alaska must have been much warmer to, due to traces found there.
  • Northern atlantic 0 °C isotherms of now and before
    Europe was for a great part covered with ice and therefore much colder.
  • Ice Cap covered Canada, big parts of north America and Europe
    Canada and big parts of North America where also for a great part covered with ice.
  • The center of Greenland has always been covered with ice.
    The center of greenland was covered with ice 12'000 years ago, and never been uncovered.
  • Antarctica has never been uncovered to.
    Antarctica was also covered with ice 12'000 years ago, and never been uncovered.
  • The Gulf Stream now and before.
    Possible flow modifications of the Gulf Stream could explain climate changes.
  • What is dessert now, had vegetation in the past.
    Big parts of the world who are dessert now, did have vegetation long time ago.
  • Sea level change.
    The sea level was between 60 meters and 170 meters lower as now.
  • Predeluvian Climate simulation.
    Predeluvian worldmap with possible climate simulation.
  • Temperature changes in case of asteroid or comet impact
    In case of an asteroid or comet impact, we can expect the world temperature to drop first for a few hundred years, and to rise to the actual level afterwards.


The frozen mammoths.


   This is an illustration of the place where most of the frozen mammoths have been found.     It looks much like the climate of this zone corresponded before the cataclysm to climate of at least 1'500 Kms further south.

We can therefore consider that this zone has been moved by 1'000 Kms to 1'500 Kms towards the north, moving the mammoths from a normal climate into permafrost climate and freezing them instantaneously.

Climate of Siberia and Alaska 12'000 Years ego.


Big parts of actual Alaska and Siberia must have been much warmer, due to the traces of vegetation wich have been found there, they do in fact not correspond to actual climat and were unable to survive in actual climate.    The food found with the frozen mammoths does also not correspond to the actual vegetation too.      Even some of the frozen mammoths did not have digested thier food yet.

In fact this vegetation shows that the climate should have been a thousand Km's further south, (estimated to be around 1500 Km) and the climate change has not been a slow movement, but has been rather a brutal change, leaving no or little chance for survivals.


The present image, showing the Earth seen from the pole, illustrates that indeed a pole movement from the center of Greenland towards the actual position, moves Siberia about 1'500 Kms further north.   And the opposite side being Europe, Canada and North America further south by 1'500 Kms.

The climate shift must have been fast, in order to freeze the mammoth bodies intact, what puts the timescale back to couple of hours.     Then in case of weeks, the mammoths would not have time to migrate south, however their bodies would not be left intact and we should have found only their bones.     And in case of several months or even several years, then they would have had time to migrate south and therefore nothing at all should then have been found.

According to actual science the center of the ice cap of 12'000 years ago was also around the center of Greenland, and therefore at the suspected pole position of before the calaclism, in other words a pole 1'500 Kms further away from Siberia.    This change must have been caused by a cataslism and not by a natural change, then it would be very difficult to explain such a climate shift to take place without a pole shift, than I have personally not seen a computer climate model able to show a climate shift to take place in less then 24 hours, nor have I ever seen a computer climate model showing the possibility of having an eccentric climate with an offset of 1'500 Kms towards the actual poles. (That the model must also be able to work out correctly as well actual climate, the past climate conditions and as well the expected global warming)


Northern atlantic 0 °C isotherms of now and before

Illustration of the 0 °C isotherm of the Northern Atlantic of 12'000 years ago and now.

We can observe that the 0 °C was much further south 12'000 years ago, and it looks much like the Gulf stream did not make it up to Europe.

Then the influence of the gulf stream on the European climate must have been much less 12'000 years ago or even non existent, and therefore we can admit that something stopped most of the Gulfstream before it could have reached Europe.

Isotherm 0 °C 12'000 years ago.

Isotherm 0 °C Actual.





Ice Cap covered Canada, big parts of north America and Europe.

As this illustration shows, how big parts of Europe, as well the total area of Canada and the whole northern part of actual U.S.A. were all covered with an ice-cap.

This illustration shows also that the actual position of the North Pole is eccentric to the center of the ice-cap, in fact it shows that the center of the ice-cap is away of the actual position of the North Pole in a direction opposite to Alaska and Siberia, in other words, the east coast of Greenland, or a little more west.

In fact this picture is just an illustration, and not very accurate, and the position of the center may have been anywhere between 20° and 60° west, however outside this limits climate models don't work out well, or even not at all.

The center of Greenland has always been covered with ice.

Center of greenland was covered with ice 12'000 years ago, and never been uncovered, various research teams have drilled up ice as older as 100'000 years, what means that those places have 'always' (at least for that period) been covered with ice.

This means also that the poles could not have been in a place outside a limit such that the Greenland Ice would have melted, this also excludes any civilization having an agriculture activity, and excludes by this the possibility of ever having had Atlantis on this place. (or on the opposite side of the Earth, e.g. Antarctic)

Antarctica has never been uncovered to.

For the above mentioned reasons the Antarctic could never have had an civilization like Atlantis, then also there drillings done by various research teams show the ice being far older as the time period of 9'600 BC of the Atlantean civilization.

This ice being so old excludes also this those suggestions that Antarctic was Atlantis and moved somehow by magic in its actual place, then in this case the ice could not have been older then 12'000 years, instead of over 100'000 years.

The gulfstream, now and before.

This illustration shows the actual situation of the Northern Atlantic Gulf Stream.

The Gulfstream takes warm water from the Saragossa sea to the European coast and creates therefore in Europe a very moderate climate, with temperatures higher in winter and lower in summer as in areas at the same altitude in the north american continent.

Estimated situation of 12'000 years ago, the Gulfstream is hurts an island (Atlantis) and is stopped before it gets it way to Europe and leaving Europe with a climate which looks to be similar to actual Siberia, covered with ice and permafrost, and leave little chance for any vegetation.

Only the Mediterranean region could have had a reasonable climate, and only there we could expect people to have lived there.    We should however we should not expect to find any sign of human live further north of the Actual Seine river, besides people living from hunting and fishing.


What's dessert now, had vegetation in the past.

Big parts of the world who are dessert now, did have vegetation long time ago, then archaeological findings show that parts of the world being dessert today did have vegetation in the past.    This means that the climate was at least different, possibly slightly colder, or that this places could even have been a little further north.

Then when in the case of having the poles not in the same place, the orientation and position of all continents will be different, and this will have an influence on all local climates.

Possible areas with important changes since then could be: Northern Africa, Middle east, Zones around the Nill river, Siberia and Alaska.

Sea-level change.

The sealevel should have been lower 12'000 years ago as it is now, since a lot of constructions have been found all over in the world. (making almost any country find their Atlantis, even the North German island Helgoland is found to be Atlantis)

This constructions have been found in many places in the world up to, and as much as 60 meters below actual sealevel, so we can consider this level as a minimum.    But since as of 170 meters below actual sealevel, the straits of Gibraltar (« Pillars of Hercules ») are becoming to difficult or even impossible to navigate, than any level below this limit renders the navigation totally impossible.    Plato reported on the other hand that one could navigate from the Mediterian trough the «  Pillars of Hercules » to Atlantis, we must therefore consider that the straits where navigable that time, and the sea level could therefore not be more then 170 meters below the actual sealevel.   Considering both minimum change and this maximum change correspond to estimations of most scientists, wich estimate the change to be around 100 to 140 meters below actual sealevel, from which I have chosen 130 meters below actual sealevel.

Anyway 700 meters more ice on the ice-cap of 12'000 years ago freezes enough water to lower the ocean level by almost 140 meters or more, then the ice cap was known to be that time not only bigger in size, but it was known to be higher to.

Predeluvian worldmap with climate simulation.

Map of the predeluvian world obtained by applying the correction data to the northern Atlantic ocean.    The south American continental plate corrected to, because it looks to be lifted up by 1'000 to 2'000 meters.    The australian sub continent must be moved by an unknown amount to.(I will come back on this subject in « Continent changes & tectonic plate alignment »)

The climate simulation shows a part of Alaska and Siberia free of ice, like it was 12'000 years ago, however Europe and Northern America and Canada are all shown covered with ice, which matches very closely the known situation of 12'000 years ago..

Temperature changes in case of asteroid or comet impact.

In case of an asteroid or comet impact, we can expect the world temperature to drop first for a few hundred years, because of volcanic dust, smoke and other things being thrown up in the stratosphere, covering up the sky, and causes therefore the avarage world temperature to drop due to the sunlight being filtered and obstructed.

There after we must expect the temperature to rise, and this due to the fact that the gulf stream is able now to reach Europe make the ice-cap melt slowly and make the temperature to rise to the actual level.

To find a proof of such an event, we must look for a temperature curve which drops first, and than rises avove the previous level at a period of about 12'000 years ago.

This picture shows the world temperature curve of 1 BC to 50'000 BC.

This picture shows that from around 15'000 BC to arround 10'000 BC the temperature was stable for about 5'000 years, then suddenly dropped for a few hundred years and to rise to the actual level afterwards.
(Note that we have another dip around 3'000, BC strangly close to Mayan calendar year '0'?).

This could confirm that a major climat change has taken place, this possibly due to an asteroid or comet impact, as well that the time scale is very close to the period mentioned by Plato.

Than an asteroid or comet impact will throw a lot of volcanic ashes and dust in the high atmosphere and stratosphere, obstructing by this the sunlight for 100 to 1000 years, and as such causing a general temperature drop of 10° C or more during that period.

Anyway by looking at this chart, we should also expect an other event around 3'000 BC, (Mayan calendar = 3114 BC !!!!) due to another temperature dip, however I did not find anything relating this besides Plato's dialogs, (He wrote: « Many great deluges have taken place during the nine thousand years ») but he did not give us any timescale.



 
     
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